On this insightful episode of our technology-focused podcast, host Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, delves into the evolving panorama of the Web of Issues (IoT) and Synthetic Intelligence (AI) with trade skilled Gabriel Salvate from BICS. They discover the idea of ‘connectivity twins’ and its pivotal function in environment friendly operations inside varied sectors. Gabriel sheds mild on the mixing of AI and knowledge analytics in IoT, reworking mundane objects into sensible, interconnected methods. Plus, get a glimpse into the longer term with a dialogue on Amazon’s progressive drone supply system.
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[00:00:00] Antony Savvas: Hello, welcome to our newest Web of Issues and communication companies podcast. That is Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, accompanied by a definite trade visitor. Immediately, the primary subject we’re speaking about is the environment friendly operations round connectivity twins. We’ll even be speaking about one other key growth within the communication trade, and we’ll end our dialogue with some mild hearted trade information that has surfaced.
Immediately’s podcast is sponsored by BICS. BICS was established practically 20 years in the past, and it supplies communication service suppliers and enterprises with easy accessibility to digital communications, trusted fraud prevention, and analytics, together with IoT and 5G world connectivity. It has headquarters in Europe and groups everywhere in the world.
That’s BICS.com. Once more, I’m Antony Savvas. I’ve been masking the networking in telecom area repeatedly for the final 25 years, working as a author and editor for main worldwide know-how magazines and web sites. I’m at present a contributing editor for each IoT Now and communications service supplier title Vanilla Plus, a sister title of IoT Now.
My visitor as we speak is Gabriel Salvate from BICS. So Gabriel, what’s your job at BICS and what do you do there?
[00:01:29] Gabriel Salvate: Whats up, Antony. Thanks very a lot for inviting me for the session.
[00:01:34] Antony Savvas: It’s a pleasure.
[00:01:35] Gabriel Salvate: I’m a senior supervisor centered on the IoT journey mobility and cellular personal community at BICS. I’ve been working on this market since 2008. And it’s going to be a pleasure to speak with you as we speak.
[00:01:50] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So getting on to nearly, properly, 16 years that will likely be quickly, gained’t it, Gabriel?
[00:01:56] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate.
[00:01:57] Antony Savvas: Okay. Earlier than we go on to our predominant subject of the day, discussing the connectivity twin, we’ll speak about one thing else. Gabriel, I perceive you need to speak about scaling the IoT worth chain with AI and knowledge analytics.
Earlier than I ask you a few questions, I’ll simply put individuals within the loop who don’t know an excessive amount of about this. AI and knowledge analytics unlock priceless insights from the huge knowledge generated from IoT units, enabling knowledge pushed determination making. So, Gabriel, how are these methods to undertake, and may extra be performed to permit their deployment?
[00:02:32] Gabriel Salvate: That’s a superb query. However earlier than I’ll begin answering this one let’s simply go rapidly to predominant ideas of IoT and AI.
[00:02:41] Antony Savvas: That’s truthful sufficient, Gabriel, yeah.
[00:02:43] Gabriel Salvate: I prefer to say that IoT is about turning common objects into sensible objects by giving them the power to speak with one another and with us.
And naturally, IoT it’s not a product, not an answer. IoT is an ecosystem. There are some research in regards to the amount of layers it will probably have, however I might say there are three predominant ones. So the primary one is the {hardware}, which we’ve got sensors and actuators, then we’ve got the connectivity. It could possibly be LAN.
It could possibly be WAN native wire community, wi-fi space community. And we’ve got the applying. After we go to the AI half, AI is just not one thing actually new. It’s a broad area of laptop science that goals to create machines or, I might say, methods which might be able to performing duties that sometimes require human, I might say, intelligence , these duties embody studying, reasoning, drawback fixing, understanding lateral language, perceptions. And the great half is that any more that the adoption of AI, knowledge analytics at the side of IoT can convey important advantages that we’ll discover through the session as we speak.
[00:04:07] Antony Savvas: Okay, thanks very a lot for that nice define out of your facet Gabriel. That was very useful for the listeners. So going again to how, , whether or not these, methods are simple to undertake or not. Can extra be performed to permit their deployment in the event that they’re not that simple to deploy, I ought to say.
[00:04:25] Gabriel Salvate: Nicely these days, 80% of the functions are hosted in cloud. So the primary problem from an IoT gadget is how this knowledge could be shared or how they will fill it, the, the cloud system. So principally firms, the tech firms resembling AWS, Microsoft and others. They’ve a sort of host that may get this knowledge and every of their methods there are some once more, there’s the cloud ecosystem and a part of this ecosystem. They’ve the machine studying instruments, they’ve AI instruments and and so forth. That can be utilized to course of this knowledge. And one good instance is the predictive evaluation. So these days everybody has been speaking about that. And I actually consider that is worth added and one thing simple that may be applied utilizing or combining these two options.
[00:05:21] Antony Savvas: Yeah. Simply confirming IoT mixed with AI can predict gear failures, decreasing operational prices and downtime, for instance, and bettering service reliability usually. What’s the present take up of such options and which trade verticals, as an example, are utilizing them essentially the most? Is take up at present low general?
[00:05:42] Gabriel Salvate: Nicely we do see an enormous variety of individuals engaged on these verticals, evaluating the best way to mix each options. In fact, there are some industries on the forefront of adopting this. Some good examples are, I’ll say the primary one, it’s on the manufacturing facet. Then we’ve got fleet administration, telematics, sensible cities and there’s a good instance that I simply noticed just lately to emphasise what I’m saying.
So after we are speaking about sensible cities. AI now can analyse site visitors patterns in actual time and regulate site visitors indicators timing to optimise the site visitors circulation. And naturally, on this site visitors indicators, there are some IoT units getting the information and sharing the information within the cloud. So there are plenty of good issues taking place.
However once more, these are the three and we can also add well being care as one other good one.
[00:06:43] Antony Savvas: So… healthcare, how important is that? Is that an essential space for BICS?
[00:06:48] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, we’re principally every part that’s in motion as we’re a, a house and supplier and individuals are at all times in motion, I might say it’s a goal for us. However greater than that, we, we care about individuals and the way this knowledge will likely be transferring from an individual to assistant and ensuring that these individuals will likely be protected.
[00:07:12] Antony Savvas: Sure. Okay, so we’ve coated some main factors there, Gabriel. What’s the BICS story in all this concerning, for instance, let’s begin with AI. The place is the corporate with AI? Has it made plenty of progress with that?
[00:07:26] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an fascinating query as a result of each time that we’re creating a brand new product at BICS, we attempt to perceive the problematic. And after we had been discussing the best way to implement AI in our options, the best way to strategy, the best way to work with these firms, the primary query we had on the desk was, how can I get my gadget and connectivity knowledge into my software that’s hosted within the cloud. After which we determined to supply or to create an answer that principally is a one click on resolution to ship the connectivity and IoT gadget knowledge into the general public cloud in a scalable manner. That’s that’s essential to emphasise. However greater than that in a safe solution to clear up plenty of complexities of doing protocol conversions or delivering that knowledge into the general public cloud.
So, principally, we had been wanting on the best way to unlock alternatives. So principally now you’ll be able to have, for instance, a 360 gadget administration view. You are able to do sooner troubleshooting. You may have an finish to finish safety view. So a few of these advantages are extraordinarily essential, however… Going into your query by way of use instances particularly on the IoT facet.
We all know that the battery life cycle is without doubt one of the predominant nightmares for builders and and so forth. And utilizing one of these resolution, we will, for instance, predict the battery life for low energy broad space units, or we will establish when the gadget firmware ought to be up to date and issues like that.
In order that’s once more, a pleasant merge of the options and utilizing our resolution connectivity twin, we will permit clients to do one of these stuff.
[00:09:27] Antony Savvas: That’s, that’s that appears like there’s some good progress being made there on the firm. In order that’s good to listen to. As a result of clearly everybody’s bought an AI story. And the very last thing we need to hear is what I might name as AI washing. Identical to greenwashing relating to the setting. It seems to be such as you’re making some actual progress there, Gabriel.
[00:09:44] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. So once more, the primary goal is to create, in the environment, as I mentioned, we’ve got the {hardware}, we’ve got the connectivity, we’ve got the applying. And generally builders, they need to handle totally different functions from totally different distributors. So, and this brings plenty of complexity and that mentioned. So the concept right here is, in fact, we’re promoting for builders as a result of BICS is a, it’s a B2B firm and a part of our goal is to enhance I’ll say buyer journey, proper? And the shopper journey on the developer facet, and if they will purchase time, if they will optimize their resolution, if they will predict one thing utilizing our merchandise.
That is what we’re on the lookout for.
[00:10:28] Antony Savvas: And one other space, I think about that, , 5G has a significant function in all this, placing all of the essential items collectively and supporting them.
[00:10:37] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. Sure. 5G is, I imply one of many predominant benefits to have IoT units working on 5G it’s not solely in regards to the downloads, the add charges, and, and so forth. So right here we’re speaking about latency. However the 5G will permit units to course of excessive or enormous quantity of information and on the opposite facet it’s best to have or you should have methods that may predict actual time selections, proper?
[00:11:08] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So by way of actual time determination making that’s essential in these situations. What kind of progress as an organization have you ever performed in actual time determination making to truly assist the companions and the top clients there?
[00:11:23] Gabriel Salvate: Principally one of many, I might say the, pillars of the AI is to optimize the choice making course of. In fact, when you’re creating a product, it’s worthwhile to concentrate on how optimize operational prices, decrease downtimes and, and so forth. Now with 5G, and BICS has been investing loads on 5G standalone, in order that’s one thing essential to focus on. We do see an enormous variety of IoT units utilizing one of these know-how, as a result of then you’ll be able to transact an enormous quantity of information, after which, act and react as fast as doable. It’s extraordinarily essential. In order that’s one other good instance of what IoT and AI can do collectively.
[00:12:06] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and general, I imply, we talked about scalability on the finish. Individuals, , listening to this might be considering, properly, if, if I’m going into this enviornment and I need to take a look at issues, how do I really, scale it as much as make it commercially advantageous to my firm? How can BICS, , assist these organizations with their scaling up of this know-how?
I think about you’ve bought the assist networks, the interior experience to assist them try this.
[00:12:32] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, that’s appropriate. What BICS does and it’s essential to emphasise. At BICS we’ve got two large teams. We’ve the Telco group, which we’re engaged on the 5G standalone promoting these options for MNOs. On the, on the enterprise facet, BICS is connectivity supplier. So we’re a part of the ecosystem.
So, by way of enabling clients to have the most effective connectivity by way of efficiency and and so forth. However now we’re going one step past, so we’re working with the cloud suppliers to supply the answer by the connectivity twin. So right here once more, we will speak about stability, scalability on two totally different situations.
We are able to search for the connectivity perspective. So BICS owns your entire infrastructure and on the cloud facet, which gamers have been utilizing firms resembling AWS and Microsoft or others, we’re a part of it. In order that’s the 2 methods we will work. Ensuring the builders or the corporate could have the most effective resolution for, for it.
[00:13:40] Antony Savvas: That’s nice. In order that was a superb introduction to the podcast with our first subject there. We’re now going to maneuver on to the primary subject. So thanks for that first half, Gabriel. We’re going to be speaking about connectivity twins. Now, simply to form of set the scene right here for the viewers, talking of digital twins generally, a digital twin is principally software program illustration from sensors.
With digital twins, the concept is {that a} digital twin of an present product, for instance, is maintained with consistently collected manufacturing and enterprise knowledge. That’s the overall idea of digital twins. What we’re speaking about right here as we speak Gabriel, isn’t it? Is the connectivity twin. And we had the topic of how can I get my gadget and connectivity knowledge into my software that’s hosted within the cloud?
So when you might simply clarify to the viewers, Gabriel, what are we speaking about after we speak about a connectivity twin?
[00:14:35] Gabriel Salvate: Good. Okay. So let’s assume in three large blocks. We’ve the digital twin software, proper? Then we’ve got the connectivity which buyer can use BICS connectivity. After which the concept is: how can I convey connectivity knowledge within the cloud, simplifying the complexity of it? In order that’s the that’s the primary half.
So principally connectivity twins, it’s a digital illustration of gadget connectivity properties, proper? So on the connectivity, there are a number of objects that may be analysed and this let’s say this. Infos will likely be out there for customers in a bidirectional manner to allow them to learn, they will test, they will act, and and so forth.
So briefly, you’ll be able to convey connectivity knowledge straight to the digital twin platform. In order that’s the very first thing. The second you’ll be able to translate, them into an comprehensible language for our buyer, as a result of after we are speaking once more, utilizing the battery life cycle administration. So, right here we’ve got objects resembling DRX, PSM operator hat, and et cetera.
So we’re speaking about complicated, objects that may be simply offered in a dashboard for patrons. And the third one is to supply precisely a wise connectivity dashboard. So briefly they’ll have the connectivity knowledge within the cloud. The information it’s going to be translated in easy phrases by dashboards, that’s I might say the idea of the product. The great half is that may run in AWS and Microsoft, which represents, I might say, 90 % of the functions.
[00:16:34] Antony Savvas: That’s proper. So what different advantages for the customers are there from this fashion of working supplied by BICS and its companions? What different issues come to thoughts? I think about you’re considering of, what are the listeners asking right here? What are the issues they’ll be screaming for?
So far as you’re involved. Is BICS addressing the problems our viewers are in all probability enthusiastic about there by way of what their wants are with this connectivity resolution?
[00:16:59] Gabriel Salvate: Nicely, there are a number of objects that may be coated. I might say the primary one is that you may choose routinely community with higher protection, proper? So one of many issues we offer, it’s a multi-IMSI and utilizing this resolution, you’ll be able to select the most effective one.
The second, we all know, is that clients are extraordinarily involved about fraud. Safety is without doubt one of the subjects, so principally right here you’ll be able to block connectivity in case of suspected fraud. The third one I’ve highlighted earlier than is you could have the power to establish when the gadget ought to be up to date when the firmware ought to be upgraded, for instance and we’re speaking about low energy broad units like slim band IoT, LTE-M, cat-m you’ll be able to predict the battery life. In order that’s these 4 objects are extraordinarily essential within the IoT situation. And to finalise greater than that, you’ll be able to haven’t solely the connectivity knowledge however you can even have the gadget knowledge working within the single or in the identical platform, the only pane of glass. That’s one other fascinating factor about this product.
[00:18:17] Antony Savvas: So simply, simply so I’ve bought this proper. So utilizing this resolution BICS clients can handle all their IoT units to achieve management to enhance the general high quality of service and knowledge safety for his or her clients. Is that, that is what we’re doing right here. Yeah.
[00:18:33] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. It’s completely appropriate.
[00:18:35] Antony Savvas: Okay. That’s nice to know. And is it proper that you just get the whole image by managing your connectivity and units from a single platform, successfully, is that appropriate?
[00:18:46] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. Then, as a result of briefly, we will I’ll say unlock new alternatives for patrons as a result of now they’ve a DMP, a tool administration platform working in a single facet. They’ve the connectivity administration platform working in one other facet. So that they do the interactions or the integrations by way of APIs.
However any more, they’ll have the power to have each objects working collectively, after which this may assist them to have the 360 gadget administration view. So that you don’t have to spend time on product integrations and that’s it. As I mentioned, it’s going to be a one single click on integration. That’s it.
Principally we’re serving to them to purchase in time.
[00:19:24] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So simply, I’ve bought this proper as properly. So successfully, BICS clients combine their digital twin with all of the connectivity metadata of their SIMs or eSIMs to unlock new insights sooner. Is that this all linked to what you’re speaking about right here?
[00:19:39] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, yeah, that’s appropriate.
[00:19:41] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So, Gabriel there are points round , digital twins and associated to the connectivity twin, the information that’s been generated, it’s going up and up and up, identical to is in all places.
It impacts the IoT trade. I’ve been at conferences earlier than. Some individuals have defined that the sensors that exist are going to should be developed to truly sustain with the processing energy which is producing all this knowledge. The chipsets are getting sooner. The sensors are going to should get sooner.
The quantity of information being generated by firms is getting greater. So the methods should get extra highly effective. As an IoT trade, which clearly BICS is a key participant in. How do you assume as an ecosystem the IoT trade with BICS can really sort out these issues with its cloud companions in regards to the speeds of the information and the quantity of information?
What comes into your thoughts by way of how we will transfer ahead as an trade, Gabriel?
[00:20:42] Gabriel Salvate: That’s a superb level. Antony. Right here we, we see the applied sciences getting extra mature. So on the connectivity facet, we’ve got 5G. Now we’ve got 5 5G SA. The amount of information that in a sure manner must be transacted are rising closely. There are some methodologies which we will deal with this knowledge.
Okay, so on the {hardware} facet we’ve got the sting computing half. So you’ll be able to course of the information close to to the sensor. So you may get the information, you’ll be able to interpret what’s essential or not. Disregard what is just not and ship to the following layer what’s essential. On the connectivity facet because the networks are getting extra highly effective so we will be sure that the latency it’s not going to be affected, that the obtain and add charges will likely be okay and as quickly as the information arrives Into the cloud system then there’s an ecosystem prepared to arrange that.
So simply to do an instance on the AWS and Microsoft, they’ve the IoT core or the IoT hub. So these two methods, they act like a concierge. They may get the information and they’re going to distribute internally based mostly on the shopper software, after which you’ll be able to apply machine studying, you’ll be able to apply synthetic intelligence, you’ll be able to retailer knowledge, you’ll be able to merely present the information and disrespect the remaining. So there are some methods to implement this, but it surely’s an essential reality, and BICS has been investing closely within the community facet, to verify we will supply the most effective resolution for our clients.
[00:22:30] Antony Savvas: And there’s an extension that very briefly, clearly, I imply, knowledge safety and IoT, it’s an entire new podcast by itself, however briefly after we speak about how the information safety wants are evolving and the way the trade can really take a look at knowledge safety. How do you see the trade dealing with that within the medium to long run state of affairs?
[00:22:51] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, safety if it’s not the primary one is the second subject most mentioned in, in the environment. So once more, there are a number of elements the place the safety layers are relevant. Okay, so on the connectivity facet, there’s a resolution referred to as IoT SAFE, which is a typical outlined by the GSMA.
So it’s a root of belief resolution that may be put in straight within the SIM card with the intention to be sure that nobody could have entry to the SIM card itself, proper? There are different ones which you are able to do the identical on the {hardware} facet, so you’ll be able to, for instance, apply digital personal networks or personal APNs with the intention to make certain.
So once more, there are a number of methodologies on the best way to deal with this. However in that that’s one of the vital essential subjects in the meanwhile.
[00:23:52] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and thanks for these key pointers, Gabriel, perhaps we’ll speak about that as a separate podcast within the sooner or later. So, clearly we’ve been fairly detailed about among the the overall points, speaking in regards to the trade usually, and, and going, going into what, BICS is doing, the way it’s transferring ahead.
It’s essential to verify we don’t miss something right here. So would you prefer to have another details about, , the BICS providing? A number of the key factors which, due to my fault, I haven’t really delivered to the floor right here. So is there anything you’d prefer to say what BICS particularly is doing with this connectivity twin technique and providing?
[00:24:27] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, I prefer to say that BICS is transferring from connectivity. We use it to be a connectivity supplier and now we’re an answer supplier, proper? So we’ve got, in fact, we’ve got our core community, so we’re a worldwide MVNO, MVNE. So we’ve got personal IPX options. We’ve regional platforms, we’ve got NEFB core know-how and and so forth.
However once more on this setting, it’s at all times essential to know what is occurring and see how one can adapt your self. So we launched just lately two new layers. One is the worth added companies, which we’ve got eSIM for customers and eSIMs for IoT options. We’ve connectivity twin, we’ve got sensible knowledge, which is I might say the distinctive and world actual time knowledge analytics platform. We’ve options for resellers, we’ve got the IoT SAFE after which we’ve got the skilled companies.
So principally now clients can have, the assist through the growth section from an skilled group that may assist them throughout your entire course of. In order that’s what we’re doing now. In fact, connectivity twin is without doubt one of the most fascinating tasks that we’re engaged on.
And once more, it’s essential to emphasise that it’s not solely about connectivity, but it surely’s about how we assist clients on the ecosystem itself.
[00:25:55] Antony Savvas: Okay, properly thanks for that nice dialogue. I’m certain there are various essential and fascinating items of knowledge for the listeners to digest there. We’ll end as we speak with some extra mild hearted trade developments. Gabriel one thing has caught your eye and earlier than you, will speak about it, I’ll simply inform the readers the place we learn this.
In it was reported in IoT tech information and different locations to be trustworthy about Amazon’s plans about increasing their prime edge roaming bundle supply system to worldwide places. Beginning subsequent yr, clients within the UK, Italy. And a 3rd undisclosed metropolis within the U. S. could have the choice to obtain their packages by way of drones.
And we talked about drones firstly of our dialog, that among the listeners could bear in mind. The present Prime Air service is already operational within the U. S., and it has been for a yr, and it’s been delivering packages weighing as much as 5 kilos with one hour. That’s fairly a key service promise.
Prime Air’s enlargement will embody the introduction of the MK 30 drone, which can be a quieter, smaller, and lighter mannequin in comparison with its predecessors. And so it appears like there’s some thrilling information after maybe speaking about this over, um, the previous few years. Gabriel, how do you really see this Trade alternative creating and may you see any difficulties, for instance…
[00:27:22] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. That’s one of many the reason why I really like know-how. So we will see these issues taking place. And naturally, bettering our lives in the long run of the day. That’s what’s essential. It’s a pleasant instance on how IoT, robotics and synthetic intelligence can work collectively. So you could have a drone that’s managed by somebody, and principally, you’ll be able to ship packages remotely. So look, you could have a drone with an enormous quantity of sensors linked in a 5G community, taking selections in actual time, sending maybe SMS or message to the top clients informing that the bundle will likely be delivered then it’s worthwhile to be sure that nobody will entry the drone and alter the route.
So safety is, one of many essential subjects. Then it’s worthwhile to be sure that your air site visitors system will likely be out there to have these drones working , that there are plenty of parts working on the identical kind of undertaking. So this could possibly be thought of IoT, robotics, AI, but in addition a part of the sensible metropolis undertaking.
It’s one thing that may assist to enhance our lives, that’s what I really like and I actually consider that is one thing extraordinarily disruptive and greater than that, we can’t overlook that these drones even have a GPS or satellite tv for pc connections. So that you see a 5G satellite tv for pc on the connectivity facet, you see cloud, synthetic intelligence, machine studying, taking real-time selections, saving the information, informing the shopper. Then you could have one other communication platform to save lots of the information, so there’s a bunch of functions working into the identical ecosystem. It’s actually actually fascinating. And I actually consider that is the longer term.
And greater than this, it’s taking place and it’s taking place now.
[00:29:24] Antony Savvas: That’s it. It’s what we name forefront know-how, however then what some individuals additionally describe as bleeding edge know-how, and I think about which may be a BICS could need to get extra concerned when perhaps it’s not bleeding a lot. Is that appropriate?
[00:29:37] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, we try to arrange ourselves for that. That’s the purpose.
[00:29:44] Antony Savvas: Okay. So I’ll simply inform the listeners now, I imply that’s the top of podcast that making the factors. However there’s a, there’s a little bit of housekeeping right here. I’ve bought to say the very fact there’ll a transcript of essential dialogue right here, the entire podcast and seem on the revealed podcast on our web site, and it’ll verify any hyperlinks that we’ve been speaking about as properly. I’d additionally um, like to offer the listeners the chance to have the ability to contact you in the event that they wished to Gabriel. So, what can be the easiest way of them, , monitoring you down on the web? What, is there any social media platform you’d like to say that they will contact you?
[00:30:20] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, I can share my LinkedIn sure. Yeah. I can put right here within the, the chat. https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-salvate-97200429/
[00:30:26] Antony Savvas: So perhaps we might put these within the transcript. So when you might provide these we will put them within the transcript after which they might simply contact you. Is that truthful sufficient?
[00:30:35] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah. In fact.
[00:30:36] Antony Savvas: Okay. Proper. And so after that very detailed dialogue, it simply stays for me to say thanks very a lot to the listeners for tuning in.
After which, once you see this podcast revealed, when you might use the social media buttons on the revealed podcast to tell us what you considered it. And that simply stays for me to say that’s goodbye from me, Antony Savvas. And Gabriel, it’s goodbye from you, sure?
[00:31:01] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. It was a pleasure to speak with you. Wanting ahead for the following alternative. Thanks very a lot.
[00:31:06] Antony Savvas: Completely. Thanks very a lot. Bye bye all. Bye bye now.
[00:31:09] Gabriel Salvate: Bye bye.